re: " "We're Fighting Them Over There So We Don't Have To Fight Them Over Here" "
Ace at Ace of Spades HQ talks about what it takes to fight them "here" as well as "there."
Money quote(s):
"(M)any questionable individuals have chosen to self-deport rather than live in a society suspicious of them."
"(T)here was a report -- a while ago; I doubt I can find the link -- that embassy staffs never had the capability of truly vetting a visa application. So, post 9/11, they took a different tack -- they simply began rejecting most applications from terrorist-infested countries without bothering to prove any terrorist-connections on the part of a particular applicant. They did so without much fanfare -- they didn't consider it politically or diplomatically helpful to announce to the Muslim world that Muslims were now to be presumptively denied visas in many if not most cases -- but that might in fact be a contributing factor to the decline in terrorism-related deportations."
Not to be snarky, but it depends on what the meaning of "truly vetted" means. Embassy staffs don't have a fraction of the staff that would be necessary to conduct background investigations of the tens of thousands of visa applicants seen annually. But that doesn't mean that security checks aren't conducted. And that's all I'm going to say about that.
"(I)t is the fault of the British public -- and the American public, too, as well as our political leadership which downplays the actual dimensions of the threat -- for expecting law-enforcement to be able to track so many terrorists with so few agents and so few resources. Rather than take the common-sense approach of making our agents' jobs easier by deporting any and all suspected terrorists -- allowing agents to concentrate on the remaining citizens who are possibly terrorists -- we continue to pretend everything is normal and there's no reason at all for such "drastic" measures."
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"Law enforcement wouldn't have to engage in such potentially-disasterous prioritization of threats so frequently if our nations more highly prioritized reducing the overall threat by reducing the number of potential malefactors in our countries."
Money quote(s):
"(M)any questionable individuals have chosen to self-deport rather than live in a society suspicious of them."
"(T)here was a report -- a while ago; I doubt I can find the link -- that embassy staffs never had the capability of truly vetting a visa application. So, post 9/11, they took a different tack -- they simply began rejecting most applications from terrorist-infested countries without bothering to prove any terrorist-connections on the part of a particular applicant. They did so without much fanfare -- they didn't consider it politically or diplomatically helpful to announce to the Muslim world that Muslims were now to be presumptively denied visas in many if not most cases -- but that might in fact be a contributing factor to the decline in terrorism-related deportations."
Not to be snarky, but it depends on what the meaning of "truly vetted" means. Embassy staffs don't have a fraction of the staff that would be necessary to conduct background investigations of the tens of thousands of visa applicants seen annually. But that doesn't mean that security checks aren't conducted. And that's all I'm going to say about that.
"(I)t is the fault of the British public -- and the American public, too, as well as our political leadership which downplays the actual dimensions of the threat -- for expecting law-enforcement to be able to track so many terrorists with so few agents and so few resources. Rather than take the common-sense approach of making our agents' jobs easier by deporting any and all suspected terrorists -- allowing agents to concentrate on the remaining citizens who are possibly terrorists -- we continue to pretend everything is normal and there's no reason at all for such "drastic" measures."
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"Law enforcement wouldn't have to engage in such potentially-disasterous prioritization of threats so frequently if our nations more highly prioritized reducing the overall threat by reducing the number of potential malefactors in our countries."
posted by Consul-At-Arms at 10:57 PM
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